A disputed question argued in the Scholastic style.
Objection 1. The unvaccinated are indeed a threat to others because the pandemic will only be overcome through herd immunity, and herd immunity can only be achieved safely and promptly through widespread vaccination. The unvaccinated are thus postponing the time until herd immunity is achieved and therefore are responsible for the heavy morbidity and mortality caused by this avoidable delay.
Objection 2. Asymptomatic infections with SARS-CoV-2 are known to occur and an unvaccinated person can transmit the virus to innocent bystanders. Therefore the unvaccinated are a threat to others.
Objection 3. The unvaccinated have an irrational fear of vaccines that is not supported by science. They have conspiratorial attitudes that are spreading through campaigns of disinformation, undermining public health institutions, and damaging social cohesion. Therefore the unvaccinated are a threat to others.
Objection 4. By minimizing the danger of the virus, the unvaccinated also dismiss the value of non-pharmacological interventions (NPIs) such as social distancing and masking. Their overall reckless behavior further contributes to the spread of the virus and to much morbidity and mortality. Therefore the unvaccinated are a threat to others.
Objection 5. The unvaccinated are much more likely to be hospitalized with COVID and to suffer severe complications that are costly to society than the vaccinated. Therefore the unvaccinated are a threat to others and should bear the cost of their healthcare if they persist in their refusal to be vaccinated.
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Sed Contra, as it is said, “The healthy have no need of a physician, but the sick do.” Therefore, being healthy, the unvaccinated have no need to be vaccinated and cannot be a threat for failing to do something they have no need to do.
Response: It is not the unvaccinated person who can harm, but the infected one. For an unvaccinated person cannot spread disease by virtue of being unvaccinated but only by virtue of being infected, and being infected does not figure in the definition of being unvaccinated for the unvaccinated are healthy.
An unvaccinated person is only potentially, not actually, infected, and only what is actual can properly be a threat. For the legal definition of a threat is “the real and serious communication of an intent to inflict harm,” but the unvaccinated could only inflict harm by being infected, not by being unvaccinated.
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Reply to Objection 1. Herd immunity is a modeling concept in epidemiology that cannot serve as a target of public health policy, as when Mongolia was believed to have reached herd immunity for measles through wide vaccination rates yet nevertheless suffered a large and widespread outbreak of measles in 2015. The inability to achieve herd immunity, therefore, cannot be imputed to any person or group of persons.
Reply to Objection 2. Asymptomatic infections can affect the vaccinated as well as the unvaccinated. Furthermore, the inability to detect an asymptomatic infection is a shortcoming of technology. Traffic deaths are much more likely to occur under poor lighting conditions yet we don’t consider nighttime drivers to be a public threat.
Reply to Objection 3. A society that claims to be pluralistic cannot be threatened by a plurality of attitudes. The distrust of public institutions cannot be considered a threat if coming from the unvaccinated, but a virtue (or at least an acceptable social stance) if coming from other groups such as, for example, the Black Lives Matter movement.
Reply to Objection 4. The correlation between vaccination status and compliance with NPIs has not been established in a manner that excludes confounding variables. Furthermore, while NPIs are widely accepted public health interventions, their actual effectiveness is difficult to prove empirically. The unvaccinated cannot therefore be deemed to be a threat based on this tenuous association to demonstrable harm.
Reply to Objection 5. A large number of diseases and injuries may be caused or aggravated by the behavior of their victims. The unvaccinated are not more of a financial threat to society than those who smoke, those who drink excessively, those who incur leisure sports injuries, those who drive absent-mindedly, those who eat more than they should, those who unduly expose themselves to sexually-transmitted infections, etcetera.
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Image: Laurentius de Voltolina. 14th c. image of a university lecture (Public Domain).
One could look at it from the standpoint that if the vaccinated feel threatened by the unvaccinated and uninfected, that it is a tacit admission that the vaccine doesn’t work.
That may depend on the hidden hand’s perception of “work”. Apparently, the thrones behind this massive deception are escalating force to pummel every soul till they fold from the pressure and assimilate this cocktail of death. That alone is sufficient cause to know the agenda is dark. It should be obvious, even long before this moment in time, that this powerful group with a name lost in history had contempt for the masses as they are the creators of all the suffering and death for millennia. This group somehow magically disappeared themselves in history and then “supplanted“ themselves as a remnant using another people entirely. But Cicero knew who they were and this group has collapsed every major empire on earth since ancient Egypt, including that of Rome. These empires are used as their battle ax and then relegated to the dustbin of history. This I fear is their final battle to reserve the earth for themselves only.
Additional reply to Objection 5: there is no data on the long term effects of the experimental vaccines, which means there is a possibility of mass injuries yet to be seen. Those injuries, if they happen, will also have a health care cost perhaps equal to or exceeding the cost of an unvaccinated person enduring a Covid infection. By the logic of Objection 5, the choice to become vaccinated will become a financial burden on society.
The virus has never been isolated and purified, therefore does not exist. COVID 19 is a collection of symptoms that can be treated with early intervention for example invermecton. There is no threat from asymptomatic carriers as a good tree can’t bear bad fruit. The whole COVID 19 has been driven by the fake PCR tests that can’t test for anything.
Absolutely succinct and enjoyable comment, clears the BS from our eyes.
Thank you Dr Accad for your reasoned arguments. How strange it is that we are being told that those who are not obviously sick are the threat to those who have been “vaccinated” with material of which they have not given informed consent and have no real recourse following injury or death.
I am a born again Christian, this has been the clearest, most concise statement of truth, responsibility, and moral consideration of this or a real pandemic. I have multiple sclerosis, caused by an experimental, classified anthrax vaccine, which I’ve been treated for 28 years, and fight the “odds” daily. No one else I’ve heard or read has addressed the fact “we are a potential victim” only, and can’t possibly spread this “bio-weapon”, as a retired Marine, the evidence is entirely suggestive of US bioweapon engineered, or any other actual pandemic, except if one gets the disease. I am a technician, mechanic, I work in logic, and the comparison to smoking, drinking, driving at night, are all entirely rational equations and quite substantive arguments against the notion of “we are all in this together”, those who take time and effort to maintain good health, come with an entirely different risk/threat factor, than those who don’t exercise, drink, smoke, lay as couch potatoes, and in fact, those three facts hold far more reality risk, than any and all “un-shot”, since this isn’t even a vaccine, but an experiment in gene editing, as if some pinhead, knows more about our immune system than our Designer. We, the military, got classified anthrax vaccines, without any say, because the US was intent on using anthrax in Iraq, in the event Saddam actually fought back. It’s time we consider the possibility, not bombing people into the stone age, will end their leaving home, to kill us. Or not even, and the excuse used, for another exercise in mass bombing.
We miss the obvious. The most egregious misdirection is the presumption no one can develop immunity naturally. That essentially, COVID-19 is an exceptionally mortal virus that defies natural immunity (99% of those infected develop immunity on their own), yet children are generally immune because their immune systems are already entrained by the large number of vaccinations they have undergone. Children DO get infected but experience very transient symptoms, maybe a slight unrecognized fever overnight. COVID-19 is being addressed as if it is a vaccine deficiency. That vaccines and only vaccines confer immunity. Yet we have learned these RNA-DNA vaccines are so narrowly focused that immunization is needed for variants that are highly infectious. Highly deadly strains dissipate because the infected die. Since these genetic vaccines can be developed overnight, we have the prospect of perpetual immunization, of living life with one sole objective, to keep wearing masks and practice social distancing till we can get another shot for the latest variant. It is said children are now suffering and dying of COVID, but it is mostly respiratory syncytial virus is the problem. Children having no immunity from birth except what immune factors are transferred from their mother in breast milk, must continually develop antibodies and memory T-cells to produce long-term immunity. The spike protein facilitates entry of coronaviruses into living cells where they can then replicate. The very notion of making RNA/DNA vaccines that produce spike protein perpetuates entry of viruses into living cells. Therefore these vaccines, while they provoke immunity as they are foreign and toxic, also doom the vaccinee to infection and should be considered a biological weapon. The vaccine makers cannot say they are ignorant on this matter.
There is no path to herd immunity through using a “vaccinating agent” which does not confer immunity. Why is this even being discussed?
The jab does not prevent getting or spreading the virus. It promotes mutations. It has bad side effects and unknown longer term side effects that may be biblical. Covid is not dangerous to the vast majority of people and natural immunity has served humankind for eons. Why take a step into unknown danger?
Strange how the bulk of antagonism is from the vaccinated. They feed from a pot filled with fear, manipulation and confused insecurity. Ignorance and closed mindset
keep it bubbling. The blind can see the ruthless actions of the forces driving this.
All available cures have been supressed . They have allowed NOTHING to stand in their way. It’s a biochem war , They don’t care Who dies . Look and Think Please
Herd immunity has nothing to do with vaccines! They just made that up. I lived in Paris where when the children got smallpox, they stay home and are quarantined for two weeks, thus herd immunity is actually taking place. Although people in the Paris Metro are from everywhere in the world, there have been no serious outbreaks of smallpox other than in these children who are then protected for a lifetime.
“I lived in Paris where when the children got smallpox…”
I don’t think it was smallpox. Smallpox is deadly with a very high mortality rate, at least many times higher than Wuhan.
Do you mean Chickenpox? That’s a pretty common childhood disease, and fairly benign to children (notwithstanding shingles that may develop later in life).
Hit the nails (objections) squarely on their heads!
If the vaccinated and unvaccinated can both get infected and transmit the virus then who is the bigger threat. I the vaccinated individual carries a higher viral load if infected as studies show then it is the vaccinated who pose a greater threat. If the unvaccinated have natural immunity which is 13 times stronger than the vaccinated who is the greater threat the vaccinated. These two issue alone destroy the vaccine argument if the danger of vax is added in there is no contest.
a non sterilizing vaccine which does not kill the virus will never get us to herd immunity. In fact a “vaccine” of this type will prevent us from getting to herd immunity since the virus is free to move and mutate.
Excellent – gotta love logical argumentation !
Please add to ‘Reply to Objection 2’ – re: asymptomatic spreading:
– ignoring the fact that asymptomatic spread has, apparently, a more theoretical value as consideration of risk, than in reality, because the actual occurrence of such is so minute in real life,
– the unvaccinated can get infected and not develop symptoms and spread the virus
– as is clearly known right from the design and intention and physiological function of the injections, they do not prevent infection, but are intended to reduce severity of symptom-development – thus, clearly, the vaccinated can get infected (current studies as well as observations already have proven this dramatically), in which case it are the vaccinated who will be more likely asymptomatic than the unvaccinated ! Thus, it are the vaccinated who will be more likely asymptomatic spreaders !!
Thus, if anything, it will become a pandemic by the vaccinated !
The real danger is the rejection of treatments other than these vaccines that actually work. What the general public sees is big money generating a false PR against those people that think the vaccines are more dangerous than the COVID variations itself.
Might want to ask the FDA about that. Such as why Zinc in conjunction with an enhancer drug might give us some immunity. Such as Time Released Vitamin C and Time Released D3 with K2 might help or not.
Our drug companies are effectively keeping holistic medicine from being elected for use in any hospital in this country. No one knows why certain things work while others do not.
The only way to find out is not a test. It is called an electron microscope quite capable of seeing a virus. Probably not available under FDA rules. Don’t know for sure.
I do know that holistic medicines that work are forbidden on penalty of a doctor at a hospital losing his license if they are allowed by a doctor. Ginseng is one such medicine used throughout the Far East to enable old people a longer life span. It generally works like aspirin only it is a semi-steroid without the things that make steroids a bad idea. It enhances strength and stamina over time. It generally is known to add about 5 to 10 years to an older person’s life.
The wine drug Resvertrol with enhancers is also a strong antiviral. This is all public knowledge. Just as other things that keep older people alive and sometimes enhancing their mental abilities. India is known for its ancient medical knowledge.
We are being governed not by elected officials but their owners. That has become so over the last 100 years.
We as a species have a mutation of a gene. It keeps us from generating our own Vitamin C. It likely would ad about 4 times to our healthy aging if that were reversed. So far only a time-released pill even comes close to doing that.
Our leaders I suspect want to kill off all the possible Social Security residents. That became evident with the manslaughter of people by putting infected covid-19 patients in with them. I do not see any governors in jail for that little action so it must have the approval of those actually in charge.
I personally am of the opinion that they embezzled the funds meant to support Social Security. So they may not have the money in the future to fund the program.
COVID is a perfect murderer of vulnerable unhealthy people in nursing homes. You cannot put a virus in jail, though it likely will spread and kill many in said jails.
The MISTAKE many make is to ARGUE the points that are presented involving the so called ‘vaccine’. That is the FIRST lie, and many more LIES follow, so arguing about their LIE does you and others NO GOOD. IT IS A LIE because that is what this government and its AGENCIES ( all of them ) do and has been doing since JFK was killed by the CIA. imo
Awesome to see the fantastic responses to the objections. Our very lives, and Freedom, Truth, Liberty and Justice depend on us to also be on offense against the onslaught of medical tyranny. “Every doctor, every nurse and every pharmacist who injected this substance into people without asking what was in it, without demanding to see data on the adverse reactions, they will all be seen as complicit in the horrific crimes against nature now playing out. They all violated the international Nuremburg Code requiring informed consent.” https://leohohmann.com/2021/09/12/video-watch-dr-judy-mikovits-and-panel-discuss-joe-bidens-dictatorial-claim-of-ownership-of-every-americans-body/
The so called “vaccines” are dangerous and reckless: “Exposed: CDC Rushed to Change Definition of ‘Vaccination’ After Israel Study Touts Natural Immunity over Vaccine
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) quietly changed their definitions of “Vaccine” and “Vaccination” on September 1st, exchanging the word “immunity” for “protection,” now that it appears that breakthrough cases can no longer be explained away as an anomaly.
The definition changes occurred days after a massive study was released demonstrating that those who had been vaccinated were “13 times more likely to be infected with the Delta variant (what has been called a “breakthrough” infection) than those with natural immunity,” as summarized at the American Conservative.
Several savvy observers exposed the update on social media, and journalist Sharyl Attkisson wrote about the change on her excellent website. The change was also discussed at PJ Media.
Attkisson featured a Tweet from Representative Thomas Massie, who noted that that the CDC definition of “vaccination” was updated twice since 2015.
https://rairfoundation.com/exposed-cdc-rushed-to-change-definition-of-vaccination-on-same-day-israel-study-touts-natural-immunity-over-vaccine/
Per doctor Mercola the definition of “vaccine” was changed at another point also in the not so distant past. Also the very definitions of “pandemic” and “herd immunity” have also been changed. It would appear that the definitions of medical terms are being changed to suit the sale of drugs rather than to cure or relieve illness.
Instances such as those below are becoming common place:
This high school athlete is hospitalized with myocarditis. https://www.infowars.com/posts/heart-inflammation-in-teens-explodes-across-us-after-fda-approves-injections
And another:
SIXTEEN YEAR OLD ERNESTO RAMIREZ, JR. DECEASED FIVE DAYS POST PFIZER INJECTION
https://guardiansofmedicalchoice.com/sixteen-year-old-ernesto-ramirez-jr-deceased-five-days-post-pfizer-injection/
Watch interview with Ernest Ramirez Sr. and the video of his son’s funeral here: https://www.brighteon.com/f5f8ad6c-2ed5-4ff3-aa88-a33bff1d2f0c
The article below is the best article I have read regarding the doctors role in the cv sham: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/09/i_will_never_trust_another_doctor.html
Testimony from nurse whistle blowers her: Testimony from nurse whistle blowers: https://www.brighteon.com/7bdd4db4-72a4-4a86-8f44-cd7535b9d578
Paraphrase: “Giving these injections to pregnant women violates every medical ethic.” Dr. Christiane Northrup and Mike Adams explore spirituality, covid compliance and mass OBEDIENCE https://www.brighteon.com/8d9cc85c-dd45-4ab2-a703-49d6352a56be
Survival Dan I think summarizes the cv situation as follows: “ Hence, critical thinking, truth, honesty, logic, and reason, disappear from view to be replaced by mass ignorance and indifference. Because of this great paradigm shift in societal reality, we are left to either fend off at all costs this assault by the state or simply accept our slavery voluntarily.”
https://survivaldan101.com/escalated-biden-regime-war-on-public-health/
While it is all too common place that politicians and msm get away without being punished for their crimes perhaps the most egregious violators in the cv ordeal against humanity have been carried out by the Doctor cohort.
In this light I do believe in addition to violating Nuremberg Code, child abuse, murder, conspiracy to commit murder, mass genocide, conspiracy to commit mass genocide, obstruction of justice, false imprisonment, mass false imprisonment and violating the Geneva Convention the doctors also need to be charged with treason against the United States of America and its people. We also know there is a global pattern to these crimes being committed against humanity. In a Hitler like fashion the War Criminals increase their abuse, murder and threats on a daily basis. We now see in Australia that people will be “locked out” of the medical system and refused medical care if they are “unvaccinated.” If the established pattern follows true we will see the same here:
https://www.brighteon.com/d57a56b6-dfcc-48bf-b935-34263d9a9266
The time honored historical sacred pact of privacy between doctor and patient going back to antiquity has been for doctor to consult and advise and treat solely within the confines of patient consent. The doctors of our day have eagerly engaged in murder, harm and deception that compares only to Nazi Germany.
What kind of crank has a problem getting a vaccine for an infectious disease with a 99.76% survivability rate when he knows he can’t sue the manufacturer for injury?!
What if the whole narrative being shoved down our throats about the vaccine is a lie? How can we believe anything anymore? People die every year from complications from vaccines. Why should we believe the VAERS numbers? How do we know the spike proteins are in the vaccine? Because we read it somewhere and that makes it fact? Because it’s being shoved down our throats every which way we turn and look and read? Why would these liars tell the truth about anything? I believe there is much more to the vaccine than they are telling us. There is only one thing that is categorically clear in all of this: They want every young adult and adult vaccinated Again, why would they tell us the truth? They wouldn’t. Period.
Herd immunitiy is never to achieve by leaky vaccines teaching the human body to produce spikes similar to a part of virus. If the virus in a vaccinated person could not succeed with original spikes, it builds other that fit. So the virus has had excellent trainiing for mutations an infection of others. You could play this game ad infinitum without ADE and several adverse events, which helps to teach UN in immunology.
Well said. As a non-science or medical professional but with a goodly amount of intelligence, I still wonder at a medical treatment, deemed to be beneficial, which in essence genetically forces the cells of the body to produce a toxic spike protein from a known pathogen. How can that not have negative effects if the natural SARS COV2 spike protein is so dangerous?
And, if the fake/synthetic version of the spike protein can supposedly trigger an immune response, albeit partially given its nature, surely the real thing would provoke an even better immune response, given the complete complexity of its nature, which would provide the protection even more effectively?
And, since Covid is no threat to most people with a recovery rate without treatment of around 99.99%, diminishing trivially as age increases, and mostly only a threat to the very old and very sick with 2-3 co-morbidities, why would not the best thing be to let society be exposed to it in order to create Herd Immunity as quickly as possible, real, natural, lasting Herd Immunity, which is the best protection of all for the vulnerable?
But of course, no money in that.
These genetic treatments called vaccines but which are not vaccines by any stretch of science-medical imagination are rushed, not fully tested, poorly studied for safety, unapproved and highly experimental in ways never before injected into humans and we do not know and will not know for years and perhaps in terms of genetics, generations, what negative effects they might have.
There is no need at all for everyone to participate in this experiment and, given the unknowns – we don’t know what we don’t know – and uncertainties, and real risk of potentially deadly or health-destroying outcomes, the reality is that having a large enough group of unjabbed, one hesitates to use the term unvaccinated, to care for the sick and keep society running if required, would appear to be sensible.
If the Jab power-brokers have this wrong, it would be a total disaster if the vast majority of the population had been injected with these treatments. Let us hope and pray they leave most of the children alone.